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New restoration work planned for Rock Island Perry Depot

A new phase of restoration work will begin in the coming weeks on the Rock Island Railroad Depot in Perry, Arkansas. A retired architect known for his expertise in historic preservation is planning to restore the original wooden windows of the 108-year-old building. It’s also expected that soon we can place the iconic semaphore train order signal back alongside the telegrapher’s bay which will help restore the classic look of the depot.

Perry County Rock Island Depot Museum Board of Directors members Jimmy Middleton (left) and Buford Suffridge in front of the depot on Nov. 14, 2025. Unless otherwise noted, all photos were taken by fellow board member Michael Hibblen.

Perry County Rock Island Depot Museum Board of Directors members Jimmy Middleton and Buford Suffridge in front of the depot on Nov. 14, 2025. Unless otherwise noted, photos were taken by fellow board member Michael Hibblen.

The signal has been in storage since the depot was moved about 150 feet from its original location in 2018 to keep the building from being demolished. In the years since, a cinder block foundation was built at a height determined based on flooding in the area in 2019, while the roof was replaced in 2020. The nonprofit board overseeing the project, which I serve on, has determined the most pressing need now is to repair 14 windows in the depot, some of which are extremely deteriorated and falling in. 

A westbound passenger train approaches the Perry Depot in 1960. Photo: Ed Wojtas/Rock Island Railroad

A key factor is making sure the work is done in a way that maintains the historical integrity of the depot, which was added to the National Register of Historic Places in 2021. We can’t simply have modern windows installed but need someone to repair or rebuild the existing windows. The board was concerned about being able to complete that at a reasonable cost. I’ll get into financial considerations a little further down.

After having difficulty finding someone who could do that as needed, I reached out for advice in November from Rachel Patton, executive director of Preserve Arkansas. The group had encouraged us to launch a campaign to save the depot in 2017, and the following year included it on its annual Most Endangered Places list. Patton suggested we contact Steve Hurd, a retired architect from Conway who has been involved in several notable historic preservation projects and was described by Patton as a talented woodworker and expert on historic wood windows.

Hurd came to the depot on Nov. 14 to determine what the work would entail. He walked through it with board members Buford Suffridge, Jimmy Middleton and myself, carefully studying the windows, taking measurements, photos and notes. He used a floor plan of the depot to number each window, then on Nov. 24, sent an itemized total estimate of $11,900. Some windows will need significantly more work than others, Hurd noted, with the cost per window ranging from $700 to $1,250. 

Steve Hurd and Buford Suffridge look at windows in the telegrapher’s bay on Nov. 14, which we’re planning will be the first windows to be repaired.

Steve Hurd and Buford Suffridge look at windows in the telegrapher’s bay of the depot on Nov. 14, which we’re planning will be the first windows to be restored.

Much of the labor will involve repairing window sashes, which are the movable frames that hold glass panes within windows allowing them to open and close. There are also four window transoms in the depot. Those are glass panels above doors that can open and were common in the days before air conditioning to allow air to circulate within buildings. 

“While the windows are, generally, in fairly bad shape, they are repairable,” Hurd said in his email. “I have looked at each window and tried to best evaluate what will be required for each one. This is why you’ll see several different amounts for each window listed.”

At a meeting of the Perry County Rock Island Depot Museum Board of Directors on Dec. 5, held at Perry City Hall, the six of us discussed Hurd’s estimate. We agreed it was reasonable given his expertise and the amount of work that would be involved, and by a unanimous voice vote, decided to proceed with Hurd.

“It’s kind of a specialized thing to restore windows like these and there are not many people around to do it anymore,” Suffridge said. “We were actually fortunate to find this fellow that apparently enjoys doing them, as well as having the know-how about how to restore these windows.”

Steve Hurd used a floor plan of the depot to number each window that was included in his itemized estimate.

Steve Hurd used a floor plan of the depot to number each window that was included in his itemized estimate.

Hurd noted that three of the four windows most in need of repair are windows 4, 5, and 6. Those are in the telegrapher’s booth which extends beyond the front of the depot toward the tracks, providing views in both directions so employees could watch for approaching trains. That proximity and the intense vibrations of frequent, fast-moving trains likely caused accelerated degradation compared to the other windows.

Danny Majors, the son of longtime depot agent Joe Majors, grew up visiting the depot daily in the 1950s and ‘60s. Responding to a Nov. 25 post of mine on Facebook, he wrote that he had “memories of looking out those windows and them shaking as the trains made a run at Copperas Gap,” which is an area at a higher elevation east of Perry along the Arkansas River.

Another factor that might have contributed to the wear and tear of the windows was having a house-moving company twice relocate the depot. In September 2018 it was moved off property owned by the Little Rock & Western Railway which wanted to expand a locomotive servicing shop that was located directly behind the depot. We were given an ultimatum of moving the depot or it would be torn down. It was placed on a trailer, then sat in a temporary location until a foundation was built to put it on in January 2020.

The three windows in the projecting telegrapher’s booth, as seen on Nov. 14, have crumbling frames and broken glass.

The three windows in the projecting telegrapher’s booth, as seen on Nov. 14, have crumbling frames and broken glass.

Beyond the windows in the telegrapher’s bay, Hurd said window 10, along the back of the depot closest to the east side, should also be prioritized. We forgot to show him one window, which at some point was boarded up by the Rock Island and is easy to overlook. It’s the lone window in the freight room on the west side of the building and is the only window that has bars in it, I assume to protect items stored in the room from being stolen.

We eventually want to use the depot as a community meeting space for events and to house a museum telling the history of the community and its connection to the Rock Island. A Rural Community Grant of $9,970.70 was awarded to the city in 2019 by the Arkansas Economic Development Commission’s Division of Rural Services and specified those goals. With the freight room being the largest room in the building, it could be the busiest and most functional room. 

Glass is no longer inside the freight room window. We don’t know why, though Majors recalled an incident when a kid “was doped up” and throwing rocks at the depot, speculating that it might have been broken then. Given the financially precarious situation of the Rock Island in its final years, fixing it was probably not a priority. 

The most recent photo I can find showing glass in the window is from May 1967. Six months later on Nov. 10, 1967, the last regular passenger train was run on this part of the Rock Island, which provided service between Memphis, Tennessee and Amarillo, Texas.

The Perry Depot in May 1967, six months before passenger service ended for the Rock Island in Arkansas. The window for the freight room is visible here. It would eventually be boarded up. Also visible is the semaphore train order signal that we plan to soon place back alongside the depot. Photo: Bill Pollard

The Perry Depot in May 1967, six months before passenger service ended for the Rock Island. The window for the freight room is visible here, which would eventually be boarded up. Photo: Bill Pollard

Photos from the mid-1970s, after the railroad was rebranded as “The Rock” and the depot was painted in a new blue and white color scheme, show the window covered and painted over. Railroad historian Bill Pollard, who took the 1967 photo, offered his thoughts on the window:

I feel sure that it was boarded over as no longer necessary when the baggage area became little more than a storage area for maintenance of way forces. Being on the end of the station, somewhat isolated, I suspect it was more of a target for rock throwing than other windows, and the scenario that you and [Danny] Majors suggest sounds reasonable to me. After replacing the glass once or twice, a plywood replacement would be more expedient than more glass.

It seems logical that we will want to restore the window, but that needs to be considered by our board members after consulting with Hurd about the additional cost. The window didn’t open, so it doesn’t have a sash to repair. 

Jimmy Middleton, Buford Suffridge and Steve Hurd inside the freight room on Nov. 14. Not having power or lights inside the depot at this point, the room can be very dark so we typically open the front freight door to provide some light.

Jimmy Middleton, Buford Suffridge and Steve Hurd inside the freight room on Nov. 14. Not having power or lights inside the depot at this point, the room can be very dark so we typically open the front freight door to provide some light.

It would be good for sunlight to be visible inside the room as the only other source of natural light is when either or both of the freight doors are open. Once the restoration is complete, those doors might only be opened when needing to move large things in and out.

Formation of a 501(c)(3) nonprofit

To prepare for this next round of work and eventually begin a new fundraising campaign to restore other aspects of the depot, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit charity organization was created last year. The Perry County Rock Island Depot Museum Inc. is being run by a six-member board of directors. All are volunteers who receive no compensation of any kind. Paperwork was completed by Buford Suffridge and Mike Allison, with an approval letter from the IRS dated April 28, 2025.

Suffridge is the board’s president, while Allison is a member of the board. Other members are Perry Mayor Justin Crain, me (Michael Hibblen), Jimmy Middleton and Tony Roark. 

Previous donations for the depot went through the nonprofit Perry County Historical Museum, whose treasurer maintained separate accounting for the depot. As the project has progressed, we were advised to create a 501(c)(3) specifically for the depot. This should help the project qualify for additional grants from foundations and government entities, while donors can receive tax deductions.

When the board met in December, the organization had a balance of $14,149.58. That included a $5,000 donation made last January by a local resident who had memories of things that happened at the depot and wanted to remain anonymous. The most recent work was completed in 2024 when new siding and an ADA-complaint ramp were added, along with power being run to a nearby pole. 

We have been eager to start new restoration work while remaining cautious about not overextending ourselves. One concern at last month’s meeting was that the estimate to restore the windows would use most of the existing balance, only leaving about $2,000. 

We would still likely need to use our longtime contractor Larry Cates to do additional work around the windows. There are also regular expenses like annual termite treatments, and we need to have funds set aside for unexpected costs that could easily arise. So the decision was made to ask Hurd to do his work in phases and the board would pay for each of those phases individually. Then we got an unexpected donation to cover most of the window work.

Suffridge had spoken with U.S. Rep. French Hill in the Perry County Historical Museum in Perryville during the annual “Christmas on the Square” festival on Dec. 13, giving him an update on the depot project. The 2nd District congressman has been a supporter of the preservation effort since we began fundraising in 2017 to move the structure and he made a $1,000 donation at that time. 

Hill is a member of the Historic Preservation Caucus, which includes 66 members of the House of Representatives from both parties. A description of the caucus notes that preserving historic places “is an essential element of creating a community’s sense of place. Through programs such as the Federal Historic Tax Credit, historic buildings help drive economic development. Heritage tourism, downtown commercial revitalization, and the rehabilitation and adaptive reuse of historic properties into housing are a few ways we can appreciate history.”

U.S. Rep. French Hill after walking through the depot on Jan. 20, 2020. At that time construction was underway on a foundation for the building.

U.S. Rep. French Hill after walking through the depot on Jan. 20, 2020 as work to build a foundation was about to begin.

Hill has visited the depot at least twice. He met Suffridge there on June 2, 2019 when the building was surrounded by flood water from the Arkansas River while being stored on a trailer. Fortunately, water from that record flooding event didn’t rise high enough to damage the floor of the depot. Then on Jan. 20, 2020, as construction on the foundation was underway, I met Hill there and walked him through the structure.

When they spoke in December, Hill asked Suffridge how much it would cost to replace all the windows and was told about $12,000. Hill said he had been meaning to make another donation for a while and wanted to support this latest phase. On Jan. 5, we learned he had donated $10,000.

In a letter to Hill the following day, Suffridge wrote, “Your donation, my friend, to the Perry Depot project is beyond generous and we appreciate it so much. This was totally unexpected but will allow us to fully restore the windows.” Hill responded to Suffridge by saying he was “proud of your work” and provided a written statement on his donation:

Patsy and Jay Hill in a photo provided by U.S. Rep. French Hill.

Patsy and Jay Hill in a photo provided by U.S. Rep. French Hill.

This gift is in memory of my parents Jay and Patsy Hill. They loved U.S and Arkansas history and were devoted to historic preservation. The preservation of the Rock Island depot helps preserve the history of our state, the importance of railroads to our nation’s commerce and offers young people hands-on-learning opportunities about engineering, construction and transportation.

Hurd said he expects to begin work restoring the windows by the middle of February. In an email, he added that he’s “excited to get started on the depot.” I know I speak for all the board members in saying how appreciative we are to have someone leading this part of the restoration with his level of skill and enthusiasm. 

Having enough money to pay for all the windows to be repaired at roughly the same time rather than in phases will be extremely beneficial. It will make the process easier for Hurd to reuse parts of some windows to repair others, while some of the most deteriorated sashes may need to be completely rebuilt. It will also accelerate the project, which has been moving in slow incremental steps for years. 

Hurd says he will remove the first three windows in the next two or three weeks to begin making the restorations in his shop. While he’s hesitant to project how long work will take, writing that “re-working windows is always an adventure,” he estimated four-to-six months.

Hurd helped establish the Conway Historic District Commission and the Asa P. Robinson Historic District, serving as its chairman for most of his 18-year tenure. He is also an adjunct instructor at the University of Central Arkansas’s Interior Design program teaching classes on lighting design and prototyping as well as 3D model building.

What’s next?

Once repairs to the windows in the telegrapher’s booth are completed, we hope to place the semaphore train order signal back in front of the depot. Hand controls for the two blades are still inside where the telegrapher used to sit. The part connecting the levers to the signal ran through the wall directly below one of the windows. We hope to reattach them so the blades can again be raised and lowered. The last time they were moved was by a worker with the house-moving company in 2018 before the signal was disconnected. 

Mayor Crain is talking with a company about doing the work, but details have not been finalized. We don’t yet have a cost estimate, but hope that can be covered by the organization’s remaining funds after the windows are restored. A concrete foundation will be needed and the signal precisely positioned so it can be connected with the interior controls. 

We also plan to repair one of the semaphore blades that has been broken for decades. We will use the existing blade to ensure the other looks exactly like it. Board member Tony Roark has a metal working shop that might be used to make it. We also still have the glass lenses inside the signal that showed different colors based on the position of the blades. Roark is also an electrician who can rewire the signal so the lights can be illuminated.

The top of the Perry train order signal on August 19, 2017, with one of the two blades broken.

The top of the Perry train order signal on August 19, 2017, with one of the two blades broken.

The signal once played an important role in the operation of Rock Island trains through this area by telling crews how to proceed, as Dr. Bill Pollard explained in an email:

The boards were almost never placed in the 45-degree position — in operation, I never saw any train order board in that ‘call on’ position.  Proper positioning would be vertical (green displayed) meaning no orders or office closed, or horizontal (red displayed) indicating orders to be picked up either by stopping or by grabbing them ‘on the fly’ as the agent held up a train order fork.

As work on the windows is wrapping up, we will make sure any needed repairs to the exterior doors are completed so they can seal shut and protect the interior. Preservation work can then finally begin on the inside of the depot, likely starting with the wood flooring. There are some areas where the floor has rotted or is completely missing.

Levers that controlled the semaphore train order signal are at the windows while a rotted section of the flooring has been removed.

Levers that controlled the semaphore train order signal are at the windows while a rotted section of the flooring has been removed.

Contractor Larry Cates has stripped away things that were added inside the depot, including cheap wall paneling and linoleum flooring. Shelves for equipment had been added in the two waiting rooms after passenger trains stopped running, along with makeshift work areas. We still need to take down a false ceiling that was added in the depot office. For the most part, he has gotten to the core of the original structure.

We have been getting great advice from people knowledgeable about the restoration of historic buildings. Key has been Rachel Patton with Preserve Arkansas, who wrote this in an email on Wednesday, Jan. 21:

I am excited to see the next phase of restoration begin at the Perry Depot! Steve Hurd will do a wonderful job on the windows, and I was thrilled to learn about Congressman Hill’s generous contribution to the project, which will allow the nonprofit board to tackle all of the windows at once. Hats off to the dedicated board members who continue to pursue their vision for this important historic property, and thank you to the donors who share their enthusiasm and see the value of this work for the community.

In the future, board members will begin working on an overall cost estimate to complete the goal of turning the depot into a museum and community meeting space. It will take continued financial support. We are looking for new grants that the project can qualify for. Many require matching donations to show support from the local community. We will also eventually launch another campaign on Go Fund Me. Our original campaign, launched in 2018 to raise money to move the depot, generated 117 donations totaling $10,390. 

In the meantime, checks can be sent to the address below and made payable to: Perry County Rock Island Depot Museum Inc.

Perry City Hall
P.O. Box 36
P
erry, AR 72125

The depot as seen on Nov. 14 from the tracks of what is today the Little Rock & Western Railway.

The depot as seen on Nov. 14 from the tracks of what is today the Little Rock & Western Railway.

We are extremely excited knowing how far we’ve come, but there is still much work ahead. Background information and details on how the restoration project has progressed over the years can be found at the link below. Thanks to everyone who has donated to preserve the depot!

Preservation of Rock Island Depot in Perry, Arkansas

If you have questions about the project, media inquiries or can provide additional historical information about the depot, including photos, stories, comments or corrections, contact me: michael@hibblenradio.com.

2005 Willie Nelson interview featured in new book

I’m excited that an interview I recorded with Willie Nelson 20 years ago is included in a new book. Willie Nelson on Willie Nelson: Interviews and Encounters, which was edited by Paul Maher Jr., is a compilation of transcripts of 31 interviews he has given over the decades about a broad range of topics. The book was released on Sept. 16 by Chicago Review Press.

Michael Hibblen interviewing Willie Nelson in Plantation, Florida on May 26, 2005. Photo: Candace West/Miami Herald

Michael Hibblen interviewing Willie Nelson in Plantation, Florida on May 26, 2005. Photo: Candace West/Miami Herald

An editor’s note prefacing the chapter that featured my interview said, “One of the many causes supported by Willie Nelson is to combat global warming and crude oil dependence on foreign nations. Here he details to reporter Michael Hibblen his choice to use biodiesel fuel and the formation of BioWillie, his own biofuel company.”

I was working for the Miami Herald when I met Willie on May 26, 2005 as he was refueling three leased tour buses with biodiesel before a show that night with Bob Dylan. 

“It’s fuel that can be grown by farmers, and I’ve been involved with the farmers for a long time. I see it as a way for those guys to have a better life — and at the same time it’s good for the environment. It also reduces our dependency on energy from around the world where we could become more self-sufficient,” Willie said. 

The cover of "Willie Nelson on Willie Nelson," edited by Paul Maher Jr.

The cover of “Willie Nelson on Willie Nelson,” which was released by Chicago Review Press.

At the time, he owned a biodiesel station called Willie’s Place, which was located along Interstate 35 in Texas between Dallas and Waco, about 15 miles from his boyhood hometown of Abbott. Behind the station was a six-acre facility capable of producing 3 million gallons of biodiesel fuel a year. 

“It’s a truck stop that’s been there for a long time. My friend Carl Cornelius — the joke is that I won it in a poker game, and now I’m trying to lose it back. But it’s a great spot to promote biodiesel because we have a pump there, and we got some BioWillie there, and a big sign, and we’re doing a lot of business with XM Radio.”

A 750-seat theater and radio studios were eventually built there, but after a loan default, Willie’s Place went into foreclosure six years after our interview. It would become a standard truck stop known as Petro Carl’s Corner. The theater and radio studios, along with gold records and other memorabilia, are now gone.

After the interview, Willie performed that night with Bob Dylan at Fort Lauderdale Stadium. It was part of a tour that featured them playing at old ballparks around the country, which Willie told me was Bob’s idea. As I mentioned, they would be playing later that year at Ray Winder Field in my hometown of Little Rock, Arkansas. It would close the following year and was eventually torn down. Likewise, Fort Lauderdale Stadium would be demolished in 2019. 

AUDIO: Interviewing Willie Nelson on May 26, 2005 about his use of biodiesel while refueling his tour buses in Plantation, Florida. We also discussed the tour he was on with Bob Dylan, playing mostly in old minor league ballparks.

The text that was republished in the book came from this page on my website, while additional photos are also featured. Audio of the interview was broadcast on South Florida NPR station WLRN-FM 91.3, which had a news partnership sharing content with the Miami Herald

Discussing prison recidivism, addiction on ‘Arkansas Week’

In the last episode of Arkansas Week that I hosted while working at Arkansas PBS, discussions delved into two aspects of the criminal justice system: prison recidivism and drug addiction.

Joining me in the first segment of the Oct. 31 program were state Sen. Ben Gilmore, a Republican of Crossett, and Jim Bell, the owner of a reentry facility in Little Rock. Gilmore has sponsored prison-related legislation in recent years while Bell works to prepare inmates for their return to society.  

Arkansas has one of the highest recidivism rates in the country, with data showing within three years of their release, about half of all state prison inmates end up back behind bars for new offenses or violating the terms of their release. The pattern is not only bad for inmates who don’t get the support needed to change their lives, but expensive for the state, costing about $2,200 a month per inmate.

Arkansas’s prison population is growing, with projections indicating an average annual increase of about 2% through 2035. State prisons have been at capacity for years, with about 1,500 inmates currently backed up in county jails. To accommodate the situation, Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders announced a plan in October 2024 to construct a 3,000-bed prison in rural Franklin County. 

Local residents were surprised by the announcement and to learn land had already been purchased by the state. Among their complaints were a lack of transparency and poor site selection. Test wells showed there isn’t enough water in the area to support the needs of a prison. Meanwhile the cost, which was initially said to be $470 million, has quickly grown to be about twice that. 

In the second segment, state Attorney General Tim Griffin shared the story of addiction that eventually took the life of his brother Daniel. He’s working to raise awareness of the dangers of opioids through the “One Pill Can Kill” initiative, in which he has been speaking at college campuses across the state. 

Arkansas PBS streamed several of those events, and I had been moved by hearing him describe what happened to his brother. After a botched back surgery 15 years ago, Griffin said his brother was prescribed powerful painkillers and quickly became addicted. While there were plenty of other unrelated issues I could have asked Griffin about, including the prison-related topics discussed in the first segment of the program, I wanted to limit our discussion to addiction and what he’s trying to accomplish now.

A few final thoughts on Arkansas PBS, added Dec. 14

My last day of work as Director of Public Affairs for Arkansas PBS was Nov. 12. Maybe I’ll discuss more about the circumstances of the end of my employment in the future, but it wouldn’t be appropriate now. I really enjoyed the past three years, which were filled with a lot of challenges and opportunities. In addition to overseeing Arkansas Week, I appeared on camera for pledge drives and organized our 2024 congressional debates. The staff of nearly 80 people really was like a family with employees being very supportive and protective of one another. Also, the level of talent in the building was amazing.

The key challenge in my department was not having editorial independence while attempting to produce a public affairs program with journalistic integrity. Being a state agency, my bosses at Arkansas PBS lived in fear of upsetting the governor’s administration or state legislators. The General Assembly has control over the station’s budget allocation and lawmakers often grilled managers during public hearings, sometimes with rather petty grievances. Also, the commission which has oversight over Arkansas PBS is made up of appointees of the governor, each serving eight-year terms. While this has always been the structure the station has operated under in its nearly 60-year existence, the sharply partisan tone of politics in 2025 has made it harder to function.

While leading weekly editorial meetings to discuss potential topics for Arkansas Week, top leadership often instructed us not to include some controversial issues, even if they were huge legitimate news stories. The episode above, for example, was the first time we had been allowed to question a state lawmaker about the proposed Franklin County prison, which had been one of the most discussed ongoing issues for the previous 13 months. When I began appearing on Arkansas Week in 2010 as one of the journalists taking part in roundtable discussions, there were no such restrictions or topics that were out of bounds.